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Post to be updated as organisation occurs - helen-louise
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Plan for our trip to Canada:
Day AM PM Evening Sleeping
Thu 28th Flying - flight leaves 11:45 Flying - flight arrives 14:55 Shopping / wandering Staying at Toronto Travellers Home, 588 Dundas Street West
Fri 29th Sleeping. Toronto Zoo Toronto Zoo
Dinner with bcholmes & the_siobhan
Staying at Toronto Travellers Home, 588 Dundas Street West
Sat 30th Getting picked up by geminigirl & zedrikcayne Wedding of hoopycat and veryfineredwine Wedding of hoopycat and veryfineredwine In Hamilton.
Sun 1st In Hamilton. A whole load of faffing Niagara Falls with geminigirl & zedrikcayne
TrainBus back to Toronto
Staying at Toronto Travellers Home, 588 Dundas Street West
Mon 2nd Sleeping/faffing
Lunch at Fresh on Crawford
Ontario Science Centre Royal Ontario Museum
Dinner with epi_lj & okoshun & clawfoot at Lahore Tikka House
Staying at Toronto Travellers Home, 588 Dundas Street West
Tue 3rd Shopping at Whole Foods
Buying stamps
Paramount Canada's Wonderland Paramount Canada's Wonderland Staying at Toronto Travellers Home, 588 Dundas Street West
Wed 4th Sleeping/faffing/Dropping bags off at epi_lj & okoshun's
Lunch at Fresh on Spadina
Paramount Canada's Wonderland Richard flies home - flight leaves 21:50
Dinner with epi_lj & okoshun at Magic Oven
Staying with epi_lj & okoshun
Thu 5th Zonking A whole lot of shopping down Yonge Street Dinner with futabachan & Amanda at Spring Rolls
then drive-in cinema with Sue & Amanda & sweeties
Staying with epi_lj & okoshun
Fri 6th Zonked out
Shopping/lunch at Whole Foods
More shopping in Kensington Market Dinner with epi_lj & okoshun at Lick's Staying with epi_lj & okoshun
Sat 7th Sleeeeping
Lunch at Fresh on Crawford
Shopping on Queen St W then Toronto Outdoor Art Festival with epi_lj & okoshun I fly back - flight leaves 23:50. On the plane :(

You'll notice a whole load of empty there. The things we definitely want to do are:
The Zoo or Science Centre will be done on Friday, depending on the weather. Weather's good, so we're going to the Zoo. Richard does want to see the Science Centre before he leaves, so we'll need to schedule that in somewhen.

The theme park will be after the wedding, on Tuesday and/or Wednesday. It may involve two days if we do the rides and waterpark as two separate days, or one veeeeerry long day if I can acquire sufficient baratron-compatible food for that.

epi_lj and okoshun have suggested the Royal Ontario Museum on Monday 2nd.

Feel free to suggest meeting up for dinner. I am vegan but Richard eats anything. Chinese and Indian always work well (even your average, run-of-the-mill, meat-serving Chinese can make at least one thing I can eat), Italian is often good, American-style burgers & meat places are usually bad. I'm looking at the Happycow listings for Toronto and getting in a muddle - nowhere seems to have exclusively good reviews. The one thing I do know is we won't be going to Buddha's Vegetarian Foods at 666 Dundas St W, as pretty much all the reviews said it was greasy, and my grease tolerance is far lower than the average person's. We might go to the Cafe 668 Vegetarian Restaurant next door at 668 Dundas St W, as it has an equal mix of good and bad reviews.

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futabachan From: futabachan Date: 28th June 2007 00:57 (UTC) (Link)
Feel free to suggest meeting up for dinner.

Okay, let's meet up for dinner, then.

Chinese and Indian always work well

Little India, perhaps, on Queen in the Entertainment District? On Tuesday the 3rd, perhaps?

baratron From: baratron Date: 29th June 2007 14:46 (UTC) (Link)
I'd like to see you while Richard's about, but the thing is, if we're going to the theme park that day, I'm not sure we'll be back in any time for dinner. (It's open until 10pm, and we're likely to be staying most of that.) Then on Wednesday, with his flight being 9.30pm, he'll have to be at the airport by 7.30pm which rather screws up meeting after you finish work, unless you wanted to just grab coffee somewhere. It might be easier for me to meet up with you on Thursday night after Richard's gone home. Would that be ok?
futabachan From: futabachan Date: 3rd July 2007 05:58 (UTC) (Link)
Wednesday after work is a problem for me, too -- I have a class that evening, assuming that I'm not still sick. Thursday, there were some tentative plans to go out to the drive-in; does that sound fun? If not, the plans are still tentative rather than confirmed....
baratron From: baratron Date: 5th July 2007 04:42 (UTC) (Link)
Drive-in? I was going to say "drive-in what - you have drive-in McDonalds, Tim Hortons and Burger Kings by the dozen", but then I realised those are drive-throughs. Drive-in cinema? I've never done that, we don't have them at home. Don't know if it appeals (how comfy's your car compared to a cinema seat?), but it would certainly be something I haven't done before.

My plans for tomorrow (by which I mean Thursday - I know it's technically Thursday now, but I haven't been to bed yet, therefore Thursday is still tomorrow) involve mostly shopping in random locations downtown, most likely around Queen Street West and Kensington Market. What I'll do is call you when I'm up & sorted out, and we can try to make some plans.
futabachan From: futabachan Date: 5th July 2007 17:13 (UTC) (Link)
I'm at work -- 416-214-6889.
futabachan From: futabachan Date: 5th July 2007 17:14 (UTC) (Link)
...and if we miss connections this evening, would you be interested in trying to do lunch tomorrow?
hobbitbabe From: hobbitbabe Date: 28th June 2007 02:22 (UTC) (Link)
You asked me this a while ago and I didn't get around to responding. No, it is so unfeasible as to be impossible for me to meet up with you during camp. You will be in Hamilton and Toronto; Lars will be in Ottawa, and I will be half way in between, so busy and obsessed that I can't take long enough a break to see any of you and I wouldn't be good company if I did.

Which sucks. But I love the camp and I love being in charge and I love the pay too.

I didn't end up meeting up with you when we were both in the London Science Museum on the same day either, so maybe that makes me just a flake.

Have a wonderful trip!
baratron From: baratron Date: 29th June 2007 14:50 (UTC) (Link)
No, you're not a flake - there's no obligation on any of us to meet visiting net friends just because they're in the same part of the world temporarily. (It would be different if I was travelling specifically to see you, of course - I'd think it rude if I was coming to see you and you weren't going to be available!). Ontario is big enough that I appreciate it's like someone flying into Manchester and expecting to see me just because it's in the UK or England...

Oh well! At least I saw you at alt.polycon! Have a great time.
hobbitbabe From: hobbitbabe Date: 29th June 2007 14:54 (UTC) (Link)
You have a wonderful time too!

I guess that's a measure of the net-world getting smaller or something - like it's no longer a "once in a lifetime" opportunity to meet up with a net friend from a different continent. There will be other times.
sickonsin From: sickonsin Date: 28th June 2007 03:07 (UTC) (Link)
Hi! I came across your journal from Google Alerts for Sick On Sin (hope you love the octopus tee - happy bday!). Anyway, I live in the Toronto/Hamilton area and am vegan and thought I would recommend some places:

- My fave place is Kings Cafe (http://www.kingscafe.com/). I *love* the Soy Fritters. Everything I have ever tried there is super yummy. The majority of the menu is vegan, the rest is vegetarian (and is clearly indicated)
- Vegetarian Haven (http://www.vegetarianhaven.com/) is also really good. All vegan I believe. Mmmm chocolate cake. So good.
- Fressen (http://www.fressenrestaurant.com/fressen/index.html). I've only been there a couple times. More expensive...smaller portions...pretty good though.
- Affinity (http://veganworldorder.vegguide.org/vendor/view.html?vendor_id=2874) - this place is actually in Hamilton...I only recently discovered it. The menu is almost exactly like Kings Cafe. Very yummy. Great service. Affordable.

HAHA hope you don't think it's too weird I posted. Just figured I'd point you in the direction of some fine eats while you're visiting here! Cheers!
baratron From: baratron Date: 29th June 2007 15:29 (UTC) (Link)
Not weird at all - I'm pretty open to random comments on public entries. It's why they're public, after all.

I love your Sick on Sin stuff - ordered a whole load for various people's birthdays last year :)

Yesterday, the airline managed to feed me but the food was terrible - not as bad as when I was in hospital (which has become my new standard for awful vegan food), but close. It was salad, fruit salad, salad sandwich, and overcooked tofu (so hard it was rubbery) and green beans in soy sauce on overcooked rice (so overcooked I couldn't tell if it was brown or white). I *have* had decent airline food before (vegan chocolate chip cookies etc), but that was on United, who I now won't fly with after the stuff stolen from bag incident. This time we were going with mega-cheapo Air Transat, so the fact they even offered vegan was a big deal.

When we got into Toronto itself and were walking to the hostel, we passed a place called the Urban Herbivore which had a sign outside advertising muffins, and I just kinda staggered in there and went "CAAAAAAKE" incoherently until I got one. Very nice - spelt & banana base with apple and walnut chunks as the flavouring.
clawfoot From: clawfoot Date: 28th June 2007 08:13 (UTC) (Link)
The only day I have available to see you is Monday the 2nd, and there's an Indian restaurant right by epi_lj and okoshun's place that I really like (Tandoori House). Perhaps we can arrange having dinner that night there? If not there, then I'm always up for Italian.
baratron From: baratron Date: 29th June 2007 14:25 (UTC) (Link)
OK. I'm still waiting for If or Oksana to reply about whether they're free that day to go to the Royal Ontario Museum. If so, that could work out pretty well.

What I didn't do is bring If & Oksana's address out here with me, and we still haven't arranged anywhere to stay from Sunday night onwards. Hmmm.
epi_lj From: epi_lj Date: 28th June 2007 13:00 (UTC) (Link)
Simon's Wok is pretty neat all-vegan Chinese food. The portions are large and it's very affordable. It's only real minus is that it's a bit of a hassle to get to on public transit.

Fressen is well-liked but I think overpriced. I've never been blown away by it, but the pricing is at a level where I expect to be blown away at least some of the time. It is also all-vegan.

There are a lot of great vegan options at Fresh, which there are three locations of around the city, well-situated. I think that they may also have some non-vegan stuff, but they're very vegan-friendly.

There are lots of other places in town where a vegan can eat that aren't explicitly vegan. It's a pretty easy town to get by in as a vegan. kristnaskelfir and svala_lj are recently no-longer-vegan but have a significant number of years under their belt as vegans in Toronto and could give a few more suggestions.
baratron From: baratron Date: 29th June 2007 14:53 (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I wasn't overly impressed by Fressen's menu on their web site. I was impressed by Fresh, and we might go there for lunch someday (Monday? if we'll be with you for some of that day?).

I think we went to Simon's Wok last time we were here (in 2000), but it's not terribly near where we're staying.

Can I stay with you on Wednesday until I leave on Saturday? It'll be just me, as Richard will have gone home, and I'm fairly small and inoffensive ;) If you can't cope with a houseguest for that long, let me know and I'll just come for some of the time.
epi_lj From: epi_lj Date: 29th June 2007 14:58 (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, that should be fine. :) (The staying over at our place part.) I'll cross my fingers that you find the cats survivable!

I don't think we have any conflicting plans on Monday, and hanging out with you folks would be cool. :) What are your opinions on meeting other locals you don't know at all? My friend monkeyman just asked what we were up to then in terms of getting together sometime, so I could invite him to some sort of meal with the bunch of us, or I could say we're busy (since he's a local, I can see him whenever).
baratron From: baratron Date: 29th June 2007 15:15 (UTC) (Link)
I'd be happy to do so, but I think Richard would find it difficult. He's very introverted, so much so that he can get overpeopled when we're hanging out with our best friends Tim & Peter, who we've known forever. So I think it'll be hard enough for him to meet you, Oksana and Sarah - although I'm pretty sure he's almost exactly the same person as you mentally :)

Glad I can stay with you! I'll fill that in on the planner.
epi_lj From: epi_lj Date: 29th June 2007 15:24 (UTC) (Link)
Okay, that's cool! Actually, I found out that said friend, although he mentioned Sunday and Monday, is actually free all weekend, so we might do something tomorrow instead anyway. :)
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